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Jill, Donn, and Val Thor
Three Venusians: Jill, Donn and Valiant Thor landed in Virginia in 1957.
They were apprehended by Police officers and were escorted to
Washington D.C. to speak with the Secretary of Defense. Soon police
from every conceivable district and agency had joined in, all trying to
claim their right to escort them to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Val
Thor was the commander of a spaceship with a crew of about 200. It was
believed that his ship eventually ended up in the Lake Mead area before it
disappeared below the surface. Nixon allegedly met Val Thor. A man
named Frank Stranges claims that he keeps contact with Valiant and
Personal Note From Mary Sutherland:
Although I believe that Thor may exist, Iam still skeptical of his 'real' intentions.
An Interview with Dr. Frank E. Stranges
This is a transcript of a radio interview conducted by Art Bell on his "Dreamland" radio program on Sunday night,
October 1st, 1995. It deals with Dr. Stranges meeting of a man from Venus, Valiant Thor, at the Pentagon in
Washington, D.C., in the late 1950's as well as other UFO and religion related subjects.
This interview was transcribed by Jerry Hill, January, 1996. Link back to Jerry Hill's Home Page. Leave Email for
Art Bell: Now, to Dr. Stranges. Dr. Stranges, are you there?
Frank E. Stranges: Yes, I'm here.
Bell: Good. Welcome to the program.
Stranges: Thank you very much. My pleasure.
Bell: I think I will start at the end and work my way back to the beginning, which I rarely do, but I would like to flat out
ask you, what, in your opinion, are UFO's?
Stranges: Well sir, the term itself, Unidentified Flying Objects, speaks for itself because UFO represents an unknown
object not readily identifiable as a conventional aircraft or any other aerial phenomena.
Bell: Alright. That answer would definitely qualify you for the Clinton administration.
Stranges: Thank you very much! I'll go further if you'd like to. (laughs)
Bell: Assuming that they are unidentified, and I will concede that point, being from earth or being from elsewhere, I
guess... is what I'm really asking Dr.?
Bell: What are they in your opinion?
Stranges: Let me begin at the beginning. In 1945, my research into UFOs started when I was a student at Eastern Bible
College in Pennsylvania. And my roommate was an ex-U.S. Marine flyer... claimed that he saw during the war 3 dish
shaped objects that buzzed his squadron of which he was the commander 3 times. After they had regrouped the third
time, they were instructed to return the planes to the base and they were told, not asked, they were told, "Gentlemen,
what you saw was a flight of high flying Canadian geese."
Bell: Ahh Hah!
Stranges: Well, he whipped out his pen, being a mathematician as well as a Bible student, and he started figuring and
calculating. And said, "Sir, the velocity, the rate of speed, the impossible right angle turns... No sir! These were not
geese!" And he was told, "Sir, you shut your mouth and don't ever open your head about this again.
Stranges: That's right! Now, you can put the category of UFOs, in my estimation, in about 7 different groups. If you
draw a circle and make 7... cut that circle into 7 pieces...
Stranges: Some UFO's could be figments of the imagination.
Bell: In the second place, they could be secret weapons of the United States Government. We can't rule that out one
Bell: Easily true, yes.
Stranges: Third, they could be some vehicles created by Russians using some German intelligentsia... German scientists.
And fourth, they could have been built by, in fact some of them are built and are now seen and in fact being
photographed in South America, by the early Nazis. And the information has been passed down from father to son and
we have the name of the U-Boat as well as the U-boat commander who transported these things to South America so
as not to allow these things to fall into the hands of the Furor.
Bell: You do?
Stranges: Yes sir. And we also have number 5, some of these could be originating from the inner earth. And Admiral
Byrd's ledgers and some of his secret diaries have come to light in the past 5 years would strongly indicate that there is a
race of giants on the inside of this planet. And in the 6th place, they could be time travelers. And in the seventh place,
they could be some vehicles from outer space. Now you lump all these together, all seven categories, I believe that
some of them come from all of these seven points of origin.
Bell: One moment, Dr. Seems to me that from your perspective, there should have been 8 possibilities?
Stranges: What's number 8?
Bell: Demonic entities.
Stranges: I haven't come to that yet.
Bell: Well, you gave me, I thought, all seven.
Stranges: No, this is a separate category all it's own.
Bell: I see.
Stranges: I believe now... you know, some people, they must look at these things rationally. Not only as scientists, those
who are scientists but those members of the clergy and those who are neither scientists nor members of the clergy, they
should still maintain an open mind and examine and weigh all the possibilities.
Bell: Alright then.
Stranges: I firmly believe, from the depth of my soul, that these so-called aliens that have come and have kidnapped and
abducted people, men, women and children, against their will...
Stranges: Subjected them to, God knows what types of embarrassing situations when they're thrown on top of a stone
slab or a steel slab, whatever you want, and examined and probed and poked against their will.
Bell: Don't forget the big ol' needle. They have these long needles.
Stranges: Oh yes. Yes. Yes. This is not in my estimation from my study of angelic beings and my study of the possibility
of life in outer space, these do not represent the good forces. These are definitely demonic and they were first cast out
of the heavenlies according to the book of Revelation and they're part of the entourage when Lucifer and one third of the
angelic host were cast out of heaven. And here they are, they're proving themselves to be the biggest counterfeiters in
the business. They're trying to counterfeit everything good. And if some of these UFO's are good guys, let's call them
good guys for the sake of argument, coming here to help mankind, these people are out to destroy mankind by playing
with their brains. It's bad... This is bad...
Bell: Sort of, "I'm from the federation and here to help you."
Stranges: Yes. Do you remember that movie, not too long ago, I believe it was on Outer Limits or someone (sic), they
were giving our people a big cookbook to serve mankind?. Do you remember that?
Bell: Uh, I do recall that Dr.
Stranges: I think Rod Serling put that out.
Bell: Of the first seven, again, avoiding the eighth for a second, if you would have to pick from the first seven
possibilities, which would you consider most likely?
Stranges: I would consider most likely... I would be remiss if I ruled out six and just chose [number] seven. I believe
every one of these seven are a strong possibility and they would account for some of the UFOs visiting this planet.
Bell: Dr., you've got an obvious religious background and you come at it from that direction...
Bell: If you were to find out that indeed these beings were not only extra-terrestrial or extra dimensional but were
actually our creators, how would your mind process that information? Now it's a big "what if." I know, but I can't resist.
Stranges: I would have a hard time accepting that because in my studies, I have looked into the Hebrew and the Greek
and the Aramaic and some other languages and I find nothing to support that whatsoever.
Bell: um Huh.
Stranges: See the Genesis record is quite clear and if you examine that in its entirety in the ancient Hebrew language
you'll find out that the answer is in the beginning God created man and that's it! And the big problem we have is the
space of time between the first and second verses of Genesis because the following verse says, "And the earth was
without form and void. Darkness... shapelessness and uh, all kind of...
Bell: Oh yes...
Stranges: ...confused... There's something that took place between the first and second verses of Genesis 1 and I found
the answer over in the book of Jeremiah which speaks of an entirely different civilization of grandeur and greatness
before Adam was ever created on this planet.
Bell: A civilization of this earth?
Stranges: A people. A people who looked like us and talked like us and were just as crazy as we are.
Bell: Of this earth?
Stranges: Yes sir.
Bell: There are a lot of people who believe that, as a matter of fact.
Bell: There's been a prior civilization. Uh... interesting. Though... Is it not possible... do you not concede that those who
study and read the Bible are able to pretty much interpret it to fit what they wish to believe.
Stranges: This is what has been done in the past, but with the release of some of the information of the Dead Sea Scrolls
I've come up with a different story. I've come up with the whole chapter of... the first chapter of Ezekiel taken apart in
the Aramaic language where Ezekiel is trying... attempting so hard to... to explain what he saw using the own technical
language of his generation. He saw a wheel within the wheel. He said the eyes are high and terrible. That word eyes is
interpreted windows. So you've got a wheel going one direction and another one counter clockwise. And he said the
thing landed and a portion of the Dead Sea Scrolls that I've been able to get a hold of, much to the dismay of the
authorities in Israel, they claim... the scrolls claim that Ezekiel came aboard the silver bridge... walked over the silver
bridge into this craft and sat down and he saw the earth disappear in between his knees.
Bell: My, my, my!
Stranges: And we put this on video tape and believe you me, I got 2 calls from Israel and they said I should be put to
death for releasing such information.
Bell: I understand that reaction. There are a number of people would like me to be put to death just for doing this
Stranges: I believe that. I believe that.
Bell: So, uh, this is a direct translation from Aramaic...
Bell: From the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Stranges: Absolutely. And we made the two video tapes now called "The Mysteries Of The Dead Sea Scrolls" and uh,
if you treat me right tonight, I may send you a copy of both of them. (Both laugh)
Bell: That'd be great. That would seem to argue all, or most traditional religious interpretation of the Bible that we
understand... and so it's going to make a lot of people angry.
Stranges: To a great extent it will either make them angry enough to go and search the scriptures in the original language
or else accept the dogma that they are studying today. One or the other. I believe people have a right to know the truth
and you cannot, just like a court case, you cannot present a decent case until you have all the facts available. But if you
take a little fact here and hide it, a large fact there and hide it because it may not set will with the people, you're making a
big mistake, You're violating all the laws of interpretation.
Bell: How in the world did you get these portions of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Stranges: I was afraid you were gonna ask me that!
Bell: Uh Huh.
Stranges: I got it from this gentleman that I met at the Pentagon back in 1957 who claimed that he was from another
Bell: Ah Hah! And that's where the title of your book comes from.
Stranges: Right. "Stranger at the Pentagon."
Bell: "Stranger at the Pentagon."
Bell: Sort of an extra-terrestrial "Deep Throat."
Stranges: Extra-terrestrial "Deep Throat" is right!
Bell: So he called you? Made contact with you? You had a clandestine meeting somewhere on a...
Stranges: No. This is not the way it was. I was speaking at a large Church in Washington, D.C., and I was... I had some
pictures on a board behind me on the platform, speaking on the subject of UFO's in the Bible. And in with those
pictures were three particular pictures taken by airforce man Augie Roberts. You've probably heard his name.
Bell: I have. Yes.
Stranges: And he gave me these pictures. He said, "Frank, this guy's from another planet!" And I said, "Augie, what in
the world have you been smoking?" Well, he was irate at first but then he told me, not what he was smoking, but he told
me exactly what happened. He took these pictures at the home of Howard Menge. You've heard of Howard Menge,
Bell: I have.
Stranges: In Highbridge, New Jersey. He now lives in Florida. And I said, "Well, what else makes you think that this
man is from another planet?" He said, "Well, when he looks at me I get the distinct impression that he could see straight
through me!" And I said, "Augie, my daddy does that to me now!" And slowed him down a bit, but he continued. I said,
"What else?" And he said, "The man could speak every dialect and language of the group of people who were
assembled at the back yard at Howard Menges home in Highbridge." I said, "What else?" He said, "The man had no
fingerprints." That really got me. I said, "Alright, I'll take these pictures from you and from now on I'll show these along
with the other UFO pictures and I'll only be able to tell the congregations and the audiences the words that you gave me
relating to this particular three pictures. Which he did. Now, I'm on the platform, the service is over, I was autographing
books and people came to the platform... close to the platform, and a lady came behind me on the platform and she
said, "I've got to see you now!" Well, in seminary they teach you that you've got to be good to the ladies or else! Well, I
tried to apologize without success. And she said, "Dr. Stranges, I must speak to you this very moment!" She got very
irate. And then finally, she reached into her purse and pulled out identification, her photograph with her number beneath
it, the other part of the identification was United States Government, Pentagon building, office so and so, department so
and so. And she said, "I've got to see you now!"
Bell: Alright. And by then, she has your attention...
Stranges: My full attention...
Bell: And by now the attention of the audience so hold on just a moment, we'll be right back to you....
Bell: Alright. Back now to Dr. Stranges. The lady had approached. She presented him with ID Got his attention. Now
has ours. What did she do?
Stranges: We started leaving the platform. She stopped in front of the picture of this gentleman, who I found out later his
name was Commander Valiant Thor. She said, "How would you like to meet him personally?" Well, my God, what
would you say? I said, "Absolutely so. She said, "meet me downstairs in front of your hotel at 8 o'clock tomorrow
morning sharp and I'll take you to where he is." I said, "Where is he?" She said, "At the Pentagon."
Bell: She represented Commander so and so to be a Pentagon official?
Stranges: That's right.
Stranges: And then we proceeded into the office and she fired two questions at me, "Can you as a former special
investigator, still follow orders?" I said, "Yes ma'am." She said, "Can you follow orders to the letter?" I said, "Yes
ma'am!" She said, "Alright. I'll meet you tomorrow morning. God bless you." And she walked out the door and left me
sitting there with my mouth open.
Stranges: I didn't get much rest that night, nor did I call my parents or anyone else that night. And I was downstairs at 7
o'clock, not 8 on that cold Washington sidewalk during the month of December just prior to Christmas. And she pulled
up at 8 o'clock, right on the dot. Greeted me. I greeted her. I got in the front seat. She pulled away from the curve. We
went out to the... toward the Pentagon. And, if anybody is familiar with the flow of traffic after you cross the bridge it
turns to the right but she turned to the left! Parked against the fence... a gentleman with a tablet and uniform saluted her,
she saluted back. He looked at me, saluted me. What am I gonna do? I saluted him back. And we got in the line and
she fished in her purse again and put her picture ID... pinned it right to her blouse, closed her jacket and closed her coat.
I looked in front of me. I looked behind me and I saw everybody in that line, people in uniform and people in plain
clothes... they all had ID. I had nothing. As we got closer to that first security guard, I said "Nancy, uh... I don't have
any..." She said, "Please get back in line." "Uh, well, I don't have any ID." And she said, "Do exactly as I do!" "What are
you going to do?" And she said, "Oh my God! Watch me and do exactly as I do!" That put us third in line. And then
second. And when she was first in line, she opened her coat and her jacket and then walked right on by the guard. I did
the same thing. Opened my coat and jacket... walked right on by. I said, "Oh! That is really something else." And she
said, "You did fine. We have one more." I said, "One more what?" She said, "One more security guard." I said, "Once
maybe. Twice, I'm not too sure." She said, "Get back in line and shut up and let's do it again!" And we did it again!
Stranges: And when I... Let me just jump ahead to the following Monday. When I got off the plane in New York City at
LaGuardia field the FBI was waiting to pick me up, not to ask a question... not one question about speaking with a man
from another planet, but they said, "How in the hell did you get by two security guards going in and two coming out
without any proper ID.
Stranges: And they grilled me for nearly three hours. Finally one special agent said, "Well, they must have visualized
something on his shirt because they've seen so many hundreds, maybe thousands of people going back and forth
everyday. Now let's get back to the second door. I got in there, walked down the corridor right behind her. She pointed
to the outer office. She said, "He's in there." Alright. She said, "God bless you. I'll see you in church tonight." And I said,
"I sure hope so." My hand was on the handle... on that door handle... no markings on the door, no number, no ID
whatsoever. And the thought struck me, "How do I get out of here?" Then when I swung around and caught up with her
and she said, "Do the same thing you did coming in." Which I did. I went back to the door. Opened the door very
cautiously. Walked into that room and straight ahead there were two Air Force officers sitting at two flat top desks
pushed together and there was a Sergeant in the right hand corner typing. They ignored me as though I were non
existent. I coughed. I cleared my throat. I shuffled my feet. I shut the door behind me again. They paid me no mind
whatsoever. And then without warning, toward my right... behind me toward my right, here comes the man who's
picture I'd been carrying with me for quite a long time. And he's got his right hand out stretched. And he says to me,
"Hello Frank. How are you?" Well, Art, [that] started the biggest adventure of my life. And it's just continued. It
continues to this day. When he was gone... He left on March 6th, 1960. The same place on the outskirts of Alexandria,
Virginia, where his craft touched down. And all this has been written up in Blue Book.
Bell: Wait, wait, wait, wait. He... I got lost after you greeted him. What did he do?
Stranges: Well, we spoke for about a half hour. Being a minister, I first asked him religious questions. I asked him about
his garments. If he had a space suit? He showed it to me. He handed it to me. It weighed ounces. It looked like a heavy,
Bell: Was this man to all appearances human?
Stranges: 6 feet tall. About 185 pounds. Looked from every appearance like a human being.
Bell: Uh huh.
Stranges: But then I did catch his hand and saw that his fingertips were bald as a peeled egg. He had no fingerprints
whatsoever. And I looked at him questioningly. He said, "You ought to know that the Bible teaches that every man on
earth is marked from the beginning because of the transgression."
Bell: Well, I'm afraid it is possible to have your fingerprints removed, is it not?
Stranges: This is true. When I worked for the Secret Service, they showed us ways and means in which you could
destroy your fingerprints for just a while but they always come back.
Bell: They always come back...
Stranges: Yes. Even with the acid.
Bell: You were awarded the FBI gold medal at a police convention in Las Vegas.
Stranges: That's right. Yes.
Bell: This... You're living up to your last name. This is a very, very strange story!
Bell: No doubt about it. Is he the one who handed you these Aramaic documents?
Stranges: He's the one who gave me the information and this is the information we've put down in our Dead Sea Scroll
video tapes. Yes.
Bell: Well. Why were you... Uh... I guess the next question.... and the one we're going to have to hold until we finish the
top of the hour here is why you were chosen to receive this information? Dr., stay right there. Relax for a few minutes.
We'll be back to you.
This begins the second half hour of the interview:
Art Bell: ... Are you there, Dr.?
Frank E. Stranges: Yes. What is your book about? (In reference to a commercial on Art Bells autobiography, "The Art
Bell: My book is about... Well, I've been doing talk radio for about 15 years. So, it's an autobiographical thing. But it's
about the behind the scenes talk radio that a lot of people have wanted to know about for a lot of years.
Stranges: That sounds great.
Bell: It's about this program with a lot of photographs of the kind of things you're talking about right now. It's very
comprehensive. It's a hard back book and uh, I'm very proud of it. It took me a long time.
Stranges: Send me a promo. We'll carry it in our book store.
Bell: That'd be excellent. Alright, um, now, you met the man at the Pentagon...
Stranges: Yes. Can I say one thing first?
Bell: Yes, of course.
Stranges: My last name is spelled S-T-R-A-N-G-E-S...
Stranges: That's the way it is on my birth certificate and we still have relatives in Italy by the same last name, if you can
Bell: Well, that's a good last name.
Stranges: Isn't that amazing?
Bell: No. It's a good last name, Stranges. And it goes along with your story.
Stranges: It certainly does.
Bell: And yes, I'm sure everybody tells you that.
Bell: So you met this man at the Pentagon?
Bell: And, you had about a 30 minute chat with him?
Bell: And then, how did that lead you to this new Aramaic translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls that you some how laid
your hands on?
Stranges: Alright. He said he is leaving... he was the guest of the Pentagon at the U.S. government for 3 years ending
March 16th, 1960, at which time he found himself at the same point in Alexandria, Virginia, where he first landed 3
years prior. As I mentioned before, this has been very carefully studied and is a part of the Blue Book and it's also in the
declassified CIA documents.
Bell: OK. Where does this man claim to have come from?
Stranges: The inside of the planet... he said, "your Bible calls the morning and the evening star." I said, "Venus?" He said,
Bell: So, he claims to come from inside Venus?
Stranges: That's right. And then he left here for one year and he said, "I'll see you within one year." One year from that
date, I was driving up toward Beverly Hills for an appointment and in my back seat at 8 o'clock that morning this
familiar voice rings out of the back seat, mind you, "Hello Frank. How are you?"
Stranges: Well, I nearly ran a red light!
Bell: I'm sure at the very least.
Stranges: I pulled over to the side of the road. He got into the front seat like a normal person's supposed to and we had
a chat and we have been corresponding... we have been meeting ever since and he has been giving me material for my
books and our newsletters and the video tapes.
Bell: Alright. What is the up shot, if you don't mind, of the message that he's trying to send to us through you.
Stranges: Alright. The message that we've been spreading throughout the entire world is the fact that mankind should
learn the basic fundamental rules of the Golden Rule which is something that's taught by every discipline and by every
Bell: Do unto others.
Stranges: Yes. Do unto others as you'd have them... not as some have it down, do unto others before they do you first!
Stranges: And then he said, it's very, very important that we seek to... in our religious work... to learn tolerance and get
rid of this, uh, Hell fire and damnation preaching, although that has its place, and give people something that will lift them
up, that will make them have a better image of themself. And people can have faith in God, which is true, but they must
also have faith in themselves for people to accomplish certain things.
Bell: Alright. Let me slow you up now. Uh, do you remember the movie "Oh God!"
Bell: George Burns.
Bell: Uh, George Burns... when God came to see George Burns, I think initially in a super market, I can't recall, um,
after the shock wore off, first question was why me?
Bell: Why me?
Bell: So I'm sure you must've asked that.
Stranges: I've asked myself that many times and I believe because of the fact that we're able to reach people of every
denomination and my world wide travels that we were in a good position to be able to spread this truth no matter where
Bell: Alright. Here's a fax. I want you to listen to it and answer it. "Art and Dr. Stranges, there is nothing wrong in
assuming that UFOs and aliens are from another planetary system, dimension... whatever. Scripture does not say that
we are alone in the universe. As you know, it indicatres otherwise. The Bible is not a science book for the cosmos but is
a quote "repair manual for the human spirit" endquote. If we are in rebellion to God, why can't others in the universe be
also? In other words, if Satan and his boys can corrupt us then they can corrupt folks a few light years away too. This
explains the good and bad guys in the visiting aliens. Though we are warned to look out for the angels of light who are
masters of deception.
Stranges: That's true.
Bell: You agree with that?
Stranges: Absolutely. But you see, an angel of deception is not going to verify the diety of Jesus Christ. As a matter of
fact, they'll do everything they can to oppose it!
Bell: Have you seen the recent autopsy footage?
Bell: I would be more than interested in your reaction to it.
Stranges: As a former special investigator, private investig