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The Sack AS 6

The Real "Nazi Saucer?"



For decades, a rich mythology has developed around the claim that Nazi Germany's engineers secretly developed one or
more super-sophisticated saucer-shaped aircraft and unmanned disc-like missiles, and that this technology was
appropriated by the US or the Soviet Union in the post-war period. The names Schriever, Miethe, Habermohl, Belluzzo
are associated with some of these stories, and the locations of the secret plants where these craft were allegedly built
range from Prague to Stettin to shadowy underground factories in the legendary "Nazi southern redoubt."












Typical of the unsubstantiated claims about WWII Nazi saucers is this diagram of a "V-7" which appears to be a form
of jet-powered helicopter. No real evidence of the existence of such vehicles has emerged from archival documents



Kevin McClure's outstanding analysis of these legends is presented at
http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk/abwatch/naziufo/naziufo1.html

But according to researchers Hans J. Ebert and Hans Justus Maier, the real creator of the "Nazi flying saucer" - a
vehicle which can be shown to have had links to the US Air Force's investigation of UFOs in the post-WWII period -
was a farmer from the Leipzig region who had an avid interest in model airplanes. His name was Arthur Sack.

In July 1938, as Ebert and Maier explain it, Sack had entered a competition called the "First Reich-Wide Contest for
Motorized Flying Models" in Leipzig. The object of the contest was a simple closed-loop flight from one point and back
again, but in those days of primitive model control systems, most of the entrants were unable to persuade their creations
to lift off, let alone complete the course. Sack's unique contribution was the use of a circular wing.

The rationale behind the design is unknown -- like some other circular or semicircular aircraft, such as Snyder's Arup, it
may have been initially an aesthetic whim -- but in any case the model displayed the STOL performance characteristic
of the planform. With a single tail fin and a conventional horizontal stabilizer for pitch control, the AS 1 looked a bit
more like the Arups than Zimmerman's Vought V-162. Its wing was about four feet in diameter; it weighed about 10
pounds and was powered by a 30 cc gasoline engine. Sack and his model might have faded into obscurity if one of the
most important figures in the German military aircraft establishment had not happened to drop in on the contest. Ernst
Udet, the Generalluftzeugmeister (chief of armaments procurement) of the Luftwaffe, was impressed by the short
takeoff and landing runs of the model.











Udet (an expert pilot and maverick who would shortly become one of the most enthusiastic high level supporters of
Lippisch's Me-163 Komet rocket fighter) had been interested in STOL aircraft since Gerhard Fieseler had developed a
gangly three-seat observation craft called the Storch (Stork) to meet a 1935 Luftwaffe requirement for a light tactical
reconnaissance and ground attack plane which could use very short airstrips. The specification resulted in some
interesting proposals: a helicopter-like Focke-Wulf autogyro and a Messerschmitt design using a tilting wing. But the
Storch was the hands-down winner. To achieve extremely short takeoff and landing distances Fieseler's designers used
an aerodynamic technique almost diametrically opposed to Zimmerman's theory: the Storch's long, thin wing was a
flying venetian blind, endowed with large slats and flaps to coax the airflow into generating useful lift even at very slow
speeds. Under normal conditions, a Storch could take off in a little over 80 yards; in a strong headwind, it could almost
hover, dropping gently to a touchdown like a seagull landing on a post. Perhaps Udet, knowing of the STOL potential of
circular wings, saw the same possibilities in Sack's disk plane.

According to Maier and Ebert, Udet unofficially encouraged Sack to pursue the development of his design for
observation missions or light ground attack duty. But Sack was no Gerhard Fieseler or Charles Zimmerman. During the
course of the war he built four more models, about which little is known, and five years would pass before he decided
to make the leap to constructing a piloted, full-scale aircraft. While there is no evidence that Sack was directly
influenced by the V-173, it is interesting that he began work on his piloted craft in late 1943, when the Flapjack's test
flights were beginning. Sack enlisted the help of an engineer from "MiMo" (Mitteldeutsche Motorenwerke, an aircraft
subcontracting company located at Brandis Airfield) to calculate structural loads and design the plane's airframe, and
persuaded other Brandis workshops to fabricate its components.






























Brandis is a small town a few miles southeast of Leipzig. Just east of the city was a large airfield. Flugplatz Brandis was
the location of satellite factories where components of various types of aircraft were fabricated. Its very large runways
made it ideal as a flight test and fighter base.

When Allied bombing raids threatened the crucial Leuna synthetic oil plant near Leipzig, a squadron of 600 mph
Messerschmitt Me-163 rocket-powered interceptors was transferred to Brandis to provide defensive cover


By early 1944 the AS 6 took shape. Its circular fabric-covered wing was about 21 feet in diameter. An Argus AS 10
engine of 240 hp -- the same type used in the Storch -- drove a single two-blade wooden propeller. The wing was
equipped with ailerons for roll control, and a large flap was set into the wing just in front of the squat vertical fin, which
was stencilled with a Swastika and the letters "AS 6/V1." A simple canopy with flat transparencies was provided for the
pilot. Stocky, non-retractable landing gear betrayed the limited performance envelope of the machine. What the AS 6
lacked in the sophisticated drag-reducing features of the V-173 it compensated for with brute force: it possessed fifty
percent more horsepower, but weighed just over half as much as its American counterpart.

The plane was finally ready for testing in April 1944. Sack had convinced a pilot named Baltabol, the chief pilot for
ATG, a Junkers subcontractor at the base, to try out the peculiar machine. Baltabol soon found out that the AS 6 was
poorly built and had vicious handling qualities. The little disk swerved back and forth across the runway as he
desperately tried to maintain control by alternately slamming the rudder pedals from one stop to the other. Five times he
ran the AS 6 up and down the long Brandis field, veering from side to side. One of the overstressed landing gear struts
finally snapped and brought the session to an end. Baltabol realized that the plane was badly designed and would need to
be modified to have satisfactory handling.

On April 16, after some rework, the AS 6 was again rolled out, this time with the object of actually achieving flight. The
plane was pushed to the very end of the runway. It was dead calm; no crosswinds would complicate steering. Baltabol
opened the throttle of the Argus and the craft surged ahead. But to his annoyance, after speeding along for a quarter
mile the airplane showed no inclination to lift off. He pulled back on the stick. In another 300 feet, it finally started to
bounce. The bouncing rapidly diverged into severe porpoising. The end of the runway loomed, and he finally aborted
the run. Another attempt gave similar results, but this time, on one of the bounces, the propeller struck the ground and
shattered. The AS 6, lacking the meticulous development of the V-173, apparently had some serious design flaw.

The swept-wing Me-163 was powered by a liquid-fuel rocket engine and had a phenomenal rate of climb. Capable of
speeds approaching Mach 1 in level flight, the Me-163 had the potential to inflict heavy damage on US bomber raids, but
its exotic and highly dangerous fuels and limited endurance reduced its effectiveness. US and Soviet technical
intelligence analysts were highly interested in the Me-163 and both sides based early post-war interceptor projects on its
technology. The designer of the radical tailless plane, Alexander Lippisch, was one of the first technicians relocated to
Wright Field under "Project Paperclip" after the war














The German disc plane languished at the base until the summer of 1944, when an Me-163 Komet rocket-powered
interceptor squadron, JG 400, was deployed to the base to provide cover for the Leuna synthetic oil plant near Leipzig.
Sack soon approached the unit's commander, Hauptmann Robert Olejnik, begging him to let one of his "right stuff"
pilots give the AS 6 another try. Olejnik was on the spot:

[Sack] had made contact with my pilots with the aim of winning one of them over to attempting the first flight...and
one of my best and most energetic pilots, [Oberleutnant] Franz Rössle, [one of the five pilots who had made the
historic encounter with the US Mustangs over Merseburg], a real daredevil, had agreed to undertake this. After days of
contemplation and some hot debates with all my pilots, I finally agreed to let Rössle make taxying trials. Taxying trials
on the runway proceeded quite well, but as soon as Rössle began further trials on grass, a wheel ran into a molehill
[sic] and the leg was bent.


The AS 6, a flawed and now crippled anomaly, was a very low priority project in the hectic closing months of the
European war. In all probability it was dragged to some out of the way corner of the base and abandoned.

As the war ground on, German aircraft firms had fewer and fewer safe refuges to test new aircraft. Bombing raids and
the progress of the Allied fronts forced Junkers to transfer some of its experimental aircraft to Brandis. About the time
the Me 163 unit arrived at the base, Junkers was beginning experiments with a transonic jet test bed called the Ju 287
V1, the world's first forward-swept-wing bomber. On August 16, the big bomber thundered off the Brandis runway for
the first time. One of the strangest looking airplanes ever built, it had two jet engines mounted in pods on either side of
the nose, two more under the wings, and fixed landing gear enclosed in gigantic fairings. While testing progressed,
construction of two more prototypes- the Ju 287 V2, and the definitive six-engine production version, Ju 287 V3, began
at the base.












Ju 287 V1 in flight near Brandis







Horten H 9 V1 glider



By early 1945, the inevitable end was closing in on Nazi Germany. Crushed between the Americans and British on the
West and the Soviets on the East, pounded night and day by air assaults, the Reich was quickly consuming its last
reserves of critical resources. To JG 400, this meant that supplies of the special liquid fuels for its Komets were
dwindling to a trickle. In desperation, the Luftwaffe hatched a plan to reequip the squadron with the Gotha 229
production version of the Horten H 9 turbojet flying wing interceptor. For training and familiarization, some Horten H 7
two-engine trainers and the H 9 V1 glider prototype were shipped to Brandis. But time was running out. In mid-April US
troops overran the Gotha factory and discovered a handful of the half-finished Horten fighters. The heavily defended
Leuna chemical plant was captured on the 16th; Leipzig fell on the 19th. By high-level prearrangement, US forces would
hold at the Elbe river and await the arrival of the Red Army from the east. Brandis would be reached first by the
Americans. It was April 20th -- Hitler's last birthday -- when units of the US Army's 9th Armored Division entered
Brandis. There were still pockets of heavy resistance in the area, and they rolled cautiously into the giant airbase, wary
of hidden surprises. They must have been amazed at the aeronautical wonderland they found. The retreating Germans
had hastily sabotaged many of the planes, but enough remained intact to give the GIs a hint of what had been
accomplished. More than a hundred Komets had been delivered to the base. Many rested under camouflage netting in
the surrounding woods. Railroad tank cars designed for exotic rocket fuels sat on sidings. In the Junkers shops, the
soldiers discovered the half-completed Ju 287s, with their strange, forward-angled wings. In another hangar,
surrounded by demolished Me 163s, the partially disassembled Horten H 9 V1 stood on jackstands. Other Horten flying
wings were parked nearby. The Americans had little time for sightseeing. A few pictures were taken: anonymous young
GIs gawking in awe at Buck Rogers flying machines.

The front moved on, pushing east. The US Army's V Corps met Red Army units at Torgau, on the Elbe, on the 25th.
Did the US Army discover a small disk-shaped airplane at Brandis? Unfortunately, the fate of the AS 6 remains a
mystery. Maier and Ebert mention a report that a small yellow disk-winged airplane was seen at a military airfield in
Munich in the autumn of 1944, but there is no way of knowing whether it was the AS 6, some completely unrelated
project, or just a rumor. The first public revelation of the existence of the AS 6 did not come until 1973, in spite of
decades of flying saucer publicity and the fact that many of the Komet pilots had thoroughly documented their activities
at Brandis. When photographs of the AS 6 finally surfaced nearly thirty years after the war, it would be through these
former JG 400 pilots.

The Soviet Zone of Occupation, defined by the leaders of the victorious Allies, swallowed up Brandis and its remaining
treasures in July 1945. Like the other Nazi aeronautical facilities that fell into Soviet hands, Brandis was stripped clean
of its equipment and aircraft. Anything useful was shipped east for study. Three years later, someone furtively snapped
a photo of an unusual jet bomber parked at the Ramenskoye experimental flight test center outside Moscow. The blurry
negative made its way into the hands of western intelligence analysts. They were disturbed by what they saw. The
futuristic jet was the Ju 287 V3. What else had the Soviets retrieved from Brandis?

From the point of view of researchers who are attempting to flesh out the early history of the US Air Force involvement
with UFO research, what makes the Brandis episode interesting is the coexistence of a number of Horten prototypes
with the Sack "saucer" at the same base as the exotic Me-163 rocket fighters and other experimental jet prototypes late
in the war. The Horten H 9 V1 glider was a forerunner of a 600 mph jet fighter. Intelligence personnel may have
wondered if the crude Sack plane was a prototype of a jet or rocket-powered operational version with similar high
performance. From about September 1947 to late Spring 1948, Air Force Technical intelligence and counterintelligence
forces produced documents that exhibited concerns that Horten designs had influenced the Soviets, who, it was feared,
might have developed a highly advanced flying-wing reconnaissance aircraft capable of supersonic speed and
intercontinental range.

See: The Flying Saucer EEI












The Horten H 18 strategic jet bomber concept of 1945













Kenneth Arnold with sketch of an unidentified aircraft sighted in Washington State in June 1947

Several of the Horten designs did in fact resemble early saucer reports, particularly the June 1947 Kenneth Arnold
objects. The bizarre wing geometries of the Brandis aero-menagerie might well have made the notion of saucer-shaped
experimental planes a bit easier to accept, particularly since the Soviets did base some of their earliest postwar prototype
high-speed aircraft on some of the aircraft they recovered from Brandis.









"Tourist photo" of Ju 287 V3/ prototype EF 131 in USSR. It was built by a joint Soviet/German design bureau called
OKB-1 and flown at the
Zhukovsky Flight Research Institute (LII) - with a German pilot at the controls - in 1947. Its
distinctive wing shape may have attracted the attention of western observers in Moscow during test flights










EF 140 - a Soviet improvement on the EF 131 design, now in Soviet markings, with two Soviet-designed engines and
tip tanks to combat aeroelastic divergence
















Soviet forward-swept-wing transonic LL-3 rocket plane, circa 1947, designed by P V Tsybin. It was similar to the US
Bell X-1

Photographic evidence

Below is a photo that purports to show the AS 6 in a hangar at Brandis circa 1944. When the photo was first published
in the 1970s in the British journal Air Enthusiast, its authenticity was accepted by noted aerospace historian Bill
Gunston. Note that the photo has been heavily retouched -- the floor has been painted over (the closer wheel is not
circular and is smaller than the farther one) and some wing details have been overpainted or modified. The flaps look a
bit suspicious -- the aileron appears to be sagging in such a way that if it were raised to be parallel with the wing, its tip
would protrude in an inelegant way. On the other hand, the overall look of the craft is realistic and it seems to be a
full-size aircraft rather than a model.

What is of particular interest in the photo are the background details, such as the signs reading "1. Staffeltrupp" and
"Rauchen verboten" ("No Smoking") in addition to characteristic pipe and ventilation duct details.




















The two photos below were taken at Brandis apparently on or about April 20, 1945, by units of the US Army's 9th
Armored Division, and show the Horten H 9 V1 glider prototype in a disassembled state in a hangar. (From other
sources it seems that this glider was later destroyed by burning by US forces).

















Note the "Rauchen verboten" sign and wall details in the background. While these may have been standard Luftwaffe
hangar details, the general similarity is striking and tends to confirm the existence of the Sack plane at the same base as
one of the Horten prototypes.

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