Memory of  Phil Schneider
Survivor of 1979 Fire Fight in Dulce, New Mexico

"Sixty-six secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that fire fight. I was there."

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Phil  Schneider, one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys , US intelligence and military at the Dulce underground base.was found dead  January 1996, due to what
appears to be an execution style murder. He was found dead in his apartment with a piano wire wrapped around his neck. According to sources, it appeared that he repeatedly suffered torture
before he was finally killed.  Seven months prior to his death , Schneider did a lecture on the forces he had discovered at Dulce.

This brave man's final acts should not go unnoticed. Below is a synopsis of Phil Schneider. Thank You.


"It is because of the horrendous structure of the Federal Government that I feel directly imperilled not to tell anybody about this material. However I would like to mention that this talk is going to be
broken up into four main topics. Each of these topics will have some bearing on what you people are involved in, whether you are patriots or not."

"I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful place. I have gone to more than 70 countries and cannot remember any country that has the beauty, as well as the magnificence of it's
people, like these United States."

"To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and went through engineering school. Half of my schooling was in that field and I built up a reputation for being a geological engineer,
as well as a structural engineer with both military and aerospace applications. I have helped build two main bases in the United States that have some significance as far as what is called the New
World Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico.

I was involved in 1979 in a fire fight with alien humanoids and I was one of the survivors. I'm probably the only talking survivor you will ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am
the only one left that knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty- six secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that fire fight. I was there."

"Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be very unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses
on, I'm going to ask you to put your ‘scepticals' on. But please, feel free to do your own homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn't much to go on, but it's the best we've got. The
local law library is a good place to look for Congressional Records. So, if one continues to do their homework, then one can be standing vigilant in regard to their country."

Deep Underground Military Bases

"I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not believe it so. The first part of this talk is going to concern deep
underground military basses and the black budget. The Black Budget is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product of the United States. The Black Budget currently
consumes $1,25 trillion per year. At least this amount is used in black programmes, like those concerned with deep underground military bases. Presently, there are 129 deep underground military
bases in the United States."

"They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since the early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than that. These bases are basically large cities underground
connected by high-speed magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one of them.

Richard Souder, a Ph-D architect, has risked his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where you live in Idaho,
there are 11 of them." "The average depth of these bases is over a mile and they again are basically whole cities underground. They are all between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. They have
laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day. The Black Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is
depending on these bases. If I had known at the time I was working on them, that the NWO was involved, I would not have done it. I was lied to rather extensively."

Development of Military Technology, Implied German Interest in Hyperspacial Technology, and More

"Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar year that transpires, military technology increases about 44.5 years. This is why it is easy to understand that back in 1943 they
were able to create, through the use of vacuum tube technology, a ship that could literally disappear from one place and appear in another place. My Father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought on both
sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat captain, was captured and repatriated in the United States. He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such as the Abomb, the H-bomb and the
Philadelphia Experiment. He invented a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photos of that test, the photos show UFO's
fleeing the bomb site at a high rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested with them. Especially under the water and the natives had problems with their animals being mutilated. At that
time, General MacArthur felt that the ext war would be with aliens from other worlds." "Anyway, my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about the Philadelphia experiment, as well as other
experiments. What does that have to do with me?

Nothing, other than the fact that he was my father. I don't agree with what he did on the other side, but I think that he had a lot of guts coming here. He was hated in Germany. There was a $1
million reward, payable in gold, to anyone who killed him. obviously, they didn't succeed. Anyway back to our topic - deep underground bases."

The Fire Fight at Dulce Base

"Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the Federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954
Greada treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they had to give details
about the people involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the bargain until they decided they wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality and the fire fight at Dulce occurred quite by
accident. I was involved in building an addition to the deep underground military base at Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels and over 2.5 miles deep.

At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct holes in the desert and we were going to link them together and blow out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes and check the
rock samples, then recommend the explosive to deal with a particular rock. As I was headed down there , we found ourselves amidst a large cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise
known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 people down there.

About 40 more came down after this got started and all of them got killed. We had surprised a whole underground base of existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our
planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts."

"Anyway I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that."

"I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started work at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years recuperating after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and
Knudson, EG&G and other companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of spacecraft. How many people here are familiar with Bob Lazar's story? He was a physicist working at Area 51 trying
to decipher the propulsion factor in some of these craft".

Schneider' s Worries About Government Factions, Railroad Cars and  Shackle Contracts

"Now, I am very worried about the activity of the Federal Government. They have lied to the public stonewalled senators and have refused to tell the truth in regard to alien matters. I can go on and
on. I can tell you that I am rather disgruntled. Recently, I knew someone who lived near where I live in Portland, Oregon. He worked at Gunderson Steel Fabrication, where they make railroad cars.
Now, I knew this fellow for the best part of 30 years and he was a quiet type. He came in to see me on it, one day, excited, he told me "they're building prisoner cars.'

He was nervous. Gunderson.. he said had a contract with the federal Government to build 107,200 full length railroad, each with 143 pairs of shackles. There are 11 sub-contractors in this giant
project. Supposedly, Gunderson got over 2 billion dollars for the contract.

Bethlehem Steel and other steel outfits are involved. He showed me one of the cars in the rail yards in North Portland. He was right. If you multiply 107,200 times 143 times 11, you come up with
about 15, 000, 000. This is probably the number of people who disagree with the Federal Government. No more can you vote these people out of office. Our present structure of government is
"technocracy''- not democracy, it is a form of feudalism. It has nothing to do with the republic of the United States. These people are godless and have legislated out prayer in public schools. You
can get fined up to $100.000 and two years in prison for praying in school. I believe we can do better. also believe that the Federal Government is running the gambit of enslaving the people of the
United States. I am not a very good speaker, but I'll keep shooting my mouth off until somebody puts a bullet in me, because it;s worth it to talk to a group like this about these atrocities".

Americas Black Programme Contractors

"There are other problems. I have some interesting 1993 figures. There are 29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The budget from the US Congress five-year plan for these is $245.6 million.

You couldn't buy the spare parts for these black programmes for that amount So, we've been lied to. The black budget is roughly $1.3 trillion every two years. A trillion is a thousand billion. A trillion
dollars weighs 11 tons. The US Congress never sees the books involved with this clandestine pot of gold. Contractors of stealth programmes: EG&G, Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Morrison-
Knudson, Wackenhut Security Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar Aerospace, Aerospacial in France, Mitsubishi Industries, Ryder Trucks, Bechtel, I G Farben, plus a host of hundreds more. Is
this what we are supposed to be living up to as a freedom-loving people? I don't believe so."

Star Wars and Apparent Alien Threat

"Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly affected by the black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon stealth weaponry. By the way, none of the stealth programme would have been
available if we had not taken apart crashed alien disks. None- of it. Some of you might ask what the "space shuttle" is "shuttling." Large ingots of special metals that are milled in space and cannot
be produced on the surface of the earth. They need the near vacuum of outer space to produce them. We are not even being told anything close to the truth. I believe our government officials
have sold us down the drain lock , stock and barrel.

Up until several weeks ago, I was employed by the US government with a Ryolite-38 clearance factor - one of the highest in the world. I believe the Star Wars programme is there to solely to act as
a buffer to prevent an alien attack - It has nothing to do with the "cold war", which was only a toy to garner money from all the people - for what? The whole lie was planned and executed for the last
75 years."

Stealth Aircraft Technology Use by US Agencies and the United Nations

"Here's another piece of information for you folks. The Drug Enforcement Administration and the ATF rely on stealth tactical weaponry for as much as 40% of their operations budget. This is in
1993, the figures have gone up considerably since. The United Nations used American stealth aircraft for over 20% of it's collective world-wide operations from 1990 to 1992, according to the
Centre for Strategic Studies and UN Report 3092.11

The Guardians of Stealth and Delta Force Origins of the Bosnia Conflict

"The guardians of Stealth: There are at least three distinct classifications of police that guard our most well-kept secrets. Number one, the Military Joint Tactical Force(MJTF), sometimes called the
Delta Force or Black Berets, is a multi-national tactical force primarily used to guard the various stealth aircraft worldwide. By the way, there were 172 stealth aircraft built. Ten crashed, so there
were at last count about 162. Bill Clinton signed them away about six weeks ago to the United Nations. There have been indications that the Delta Force was sent over to Bosnia during the last
days of the Bush administration as a covert sniper force and that they started taking pot shots at each side of the controversy, in order to actually start the Bosnia conflict that would be used by
succeeding administrations for political purposes."

Thoughts on the Bombings in the United States

"I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade Centre bombing. I was hired because the 90 some - odd varieties of chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures taken right after
the blast. The concrete was puddled and melted. The steel and the rebar was extruded up to six feet longer than it's original length. There is only one weapon that can do that - a small nuclear
weapon. That's a construction-type device. obviously, when they say that it was a nitrate explosive that did the damage, they're lying 100% folks. The people that they have in custody probably
didn't do the crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe that the same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as killing a Jewish rabbi in New York. However, I want to further that
with the last explosion in Oklahoma City, they are saying that it was a nitrate or fertilizer bomb that did it."

"First they came out and said it was a 1,000 pound fertiliser bomb. Then it was 1,500. Then 2,000 pounds. Now it's 20,000. You can't put 20,000 pounds of fertiliser in a Ryder Truck. Now, I've
never mixed explosives, per se. I know the chemical structure and application of construction explosives. My reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out more than 13 deep underground military
bases in the United States.

I worked on the Malta project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I can tell you from experience that a nitrate explosion would not have hardly shattered the windows of the federal building in
Oaklahoma City.

It would have killed a few people and knocked part of the facing off the building, but it would never have done that kind of damage. I believe that I have been lied to and I am not taking it any
longer, so I'm telling you that you've been lied to."

The Truth Behind the Republican Contract with America

"I don't perceive at this time that we have too much more than six months of life left in this country, at the present. We are the laughing stock of the world, because we are being hoodwinked by so
many evil people that are running this country. I think we can do better. I think the people over 45 are seriously worried about their future. I'm going to run some scary scenarios by you. The
Contract with America. It contains the same terminology that Adolph Hitler used to subvert Germany in 1931. I believe that we can do better. The Contract with America is a last ditch effort by our
federal government to tear away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights."

Some Statistics on the Black Helicopter Presence

"The black helicopters. There are over 64,000 black helicopters in the United states. For every hour that goes by, there is one more being built. Is this the proper use of our money? What does the
federal government need 64,000 tactical helicopters for, if they are not trying to enslave us? I doubt if the entire military needs 64,000 worldwide. I doubt if all the world needs that many. There are
157 F-117A stealth aircraft loaded with LIDAR and computer-enhanced imaging radar.

They can see you walking from room to room when they f ly over your house. They see objects in the house from the air with a variation limit of 1 inch to 30,000 miles. That's how accurate it is.
Now, I worked in the federal government for a long time and I know exactly how they handle their business."

Government Earthquake Device, AIDS as a Bioweapon Based on Alien Excretions.

"The federal government has now invented an earthquake device. I am a geologist and I know what I am talking about. With the Kobe earthquake in Japan, there was no pulse-wave as in a normal
earthquake. None. In 1989, there was an earthquake in San Francisco. There was no pulse-wave with that one either. It is a Tesla device that is being used for evil purposes. The black budget
programmes have subverted science as we know it. Look at AIDS, invented by the National Ordinance Laboratory in Chicago, Illinois in 1972. It was a biological weapon to be used against the
people of the United States. The reason that I know that is that I have seen the documentation by the Office of Strategic Services, which is by the way still in operation to this day, through the CDC
in Atlanta.

They used the glandular excretions of animals humans and alien humanoids to create the virus. These alien humanoids that the government is hobnobbing with are the worst news. There is
absolutely no defence against their germs -none. They are a biological weapon of terrible consequence. Every alien on the planet needs to be isolated."

"Saddam Hussein killed 3.5 million Kurdish people with a similar biological weapon. Do we, the people of this planet, deserve this? No, we don't, but we are not doing anything about it. Every
moment we waste, we are doing other people on the planet a disservice."

"Right now I am dying of cancer that I contracted because of my work for the federal government. I might live six months. I might not. I will tell you one thing. If I keep speaking out like I am, maybe
God will give me the life to talk my head off. Eleven of my best friends in the last 22 years have been murdered. Eight of the murders were called "suicides." Before I went to talk in Las Vegas, I
drove a friend down to Joshua Tree, near 29 Palms. I drove into the mountains in order to get to Needles, California and was followed by two government E-350 vans with G-14 plates, each with a
couple of occupants, one of which had an Uzi. I knew exactly who they were. I have spoken 19 times and have probably reached 45,000 people. Well,, I got ahead of them and came to a stop in the
middle of the road. They both went on either side of me and plummeted into a ravine. Is this what it is going to take? I cut up my security card and sent it back to the government and told them if I
was threatened, I have been,that I was going to upload 140,000 pages of documentation to the Internet about government structure and the whole plan. I have already begun that task. Thank you
very much."

Phil Schneider May 1995

Phil Schneider never got the chance. Dead 7 months later.

Testimony of Phil's Ex-Wife , Cynthia Schneider Drayer
Concerning Phil and His Death
A Message from the ex-wife of Philip Schneider

A Small Introduction

Intro by Cynthia Drayer

                 My name is Cynthia Drayer, I live in Portland, Oregon, and I am the
ex-wife of Philip Schneider. Philip and I met in 1986, were married in
Carson City, Nevada, and had a daughter, Marie, in 1987. We were
divorced in 1990 and lived in separate residences. Philip lived in an

apartment complex in Wilsonville, Oregon. On 1/17/1996 I received a
call that Philip was dead in his apartment and apparently had died up

to a week before his body was discovered. At the time of the removal
of his body, his cause of death was by a stroke. When I went to the
funeral home I had feelings of discomfort about his death. I asked to

view the body, but due to decomposition, the funeral director
suggested otherwise. I wanted to be sure, in my own mind,. that Philip
had not died under "unnatural causes". For the last two years of his
life, Philip had been on the "lecture tour" throughout the United
States, talking out about government coverups. You name it, he was
talking about it: Aliens (treaties and abductions), UFO's, the One
World Government, Black Budgets, Underground Mountain Bases, CIA
involvement in civilian murders and drugs, Stealth technology, the
Philadelphia Experiment, Operation Crossroads (Bikini Island A-bomb
experiments), Dulce Fire Fight, the Oklahoma bombing, the World Trade

Center bombing, missing children, Gunderson Freight Cars, the opening
of concentration camps and Marshal Law/UN involvement, man-made
viruses and earthquakes, etc.etc.

A day later, I received a call from the Clackamas County Detectives,
that the funeral director had found "something" around Philip's neck.

An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner's
office (in Portland, Oregon) by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that
Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber cathater hose three
times around his neck, and half-knotting it in front. There are
several reasons why I believe that Philip did not commit suicide, but
was murdered:

1. There was no suicide note.
2. Philip always told his friends and relatives, that if he ever
   "committed suicide" you would know that he had been murdered.
3. From a number of sources, including his taped lectures (video and
   audio), and statements to his friends, and the borrowing of a 9mm
   gun, Philip felt that he and his family were being threatened and
   were in danger because of his lecutres.
4. All of his lecture materials, alien metals, higher math books,
   photographs of UFO's coming out of the Operation Crossroad
   A-Bomb, notes for his book on the alien agenda, were missing.
   (Everything else in the apartment was still there, including gold
   coins, wallet with hundreds of dollars, jewelry, mineral
   specimens, etc.)
5. No coroner ever came out to his apartment after his body was
   found (against Oregon Law) - and a police investigation never
   took under consideration that items were missing from his
   apartment - it was considered a suicide, plain and simple
6. The medical examiner took blood and urine samples at the autopsy

   but REFUSED to analyze them, saying that the county would not
   "waste their money on a suicide". Although I was assured that
   the samples would be kept for 12 months, when I asked for these
   samples to be sent to an independent lab 11 months later they
   were "missing" and presumed "destroyed".
7. Philip had missing fingers on his left hand, and limited motion
   in his shoulders. I believe that it was physically impossible for
   Philip to have held the rubber hose in his left hand with missing
   fingers and then wrap the hose three times with shoulders that
   had limited motion. In order to end up where his body was, he had
   to sit on the edge of his bed, wrap the hose around his neck,
   slowly and painfully strangle to death, and fallen head first
   into a wheel chair.
8. Philip was an expert in chemicals and his own medical needs. He
   had multiple pills at hand that could have ended his life quickly
   and painlessly. He also had a 9mm gun that he had borrowed to
   protect himself. Why strangle himself in such an unusual manner?

9. Philip was very religious, and did not believe in suicide. He had
   intense chronic pain all of the time I knew him. At the time of
   his death, he was on disability, had a housekeeper, and had
   cancer. The operation to help him with his back pain did not
   alleviate the pain and he had brittle bone syndrome
   (osteoperosis). He struggled every day, not to die, but to live.

   He felt that these lectures he gave was making a difference, and
   was looking forward to giving more. In fact he was scheduled for
   another lecture tour that started 1/16/96 in Tampa, Florida. He
   had just found a friend who was going to help him write a book
   about the New World Order, and he was enjoying his time with his

10. Philip was undergoing "injections" of "Beta Serone" every week in
   an experiment to stop his multiple sclerosis. After his death I
   contacted the only agency that conducted these experiments to
   obtain his medical record (OHSU). They had never heard of him,
   and he was not a part of their experiments. This would suggest
   people unknown were injecting him on a weekly basis with an
   unknown substance. He often times called me after these "shots"
   to tell me that he was too sick for his daughter to come and
   visit. I believe that the shots that Philip thought were being
   given to him to help him back to health, were actually being
   given to him to make him sick.
11. Philip was seen with an "unknown blonde haired woman" for several
   months before his death. Several times this same individual was
   seen or talked about and her mysterious presence only leads one
   to wonder if she had anything to do with his "suicide".
12. Several people with psychic abilities have indicated that Philip
   did not commit suicide, but was murdered (some say by 5 people: 4
   men and 1 woman, 4 directly and one by taking out a "contract".

It is perhaps important to know WHY Philip began lecturing.
Firstly: His background was as a Structural Engineer. He was an expert
on explosives and their effects on geologic structures. He worked
under two social security numbers. Most of his early work in
underground mountain bases with Morrison-Knudsen was done using the
wrong social security number. I was later able to prove that he had
two numbers through the social security office when I applied for his
daughter's death benefits. He worked for the Army Corps of Engineers
and U.S. Navy with the same wrong number. Only after he obtained SSI
in 1981 did his "real" number come into play. He always told me that
he had a Rhyolitic Clearance and that his father had a Cosmic
Clearance from his work with NATO. And that is the second reason why
Philip began lecturing.

Secondly: On top of his first hand knowledge about underground
mountain bases and government black budgets, and the alien agend as (he
was one of the survivors of the Dulce Fire Fight with aliens in New
Mexico) his father was also involved in government black projects.
When Philip's father, Captain Oscar Schneider, Medical Doctor, United

States Navy, died in 1993, Philip discovered documents and photographs
in his father's basement which proved that Oscar had been involved in
both the Philadelphia Experiment and Operation Crossroads. Philip now
had letters written in the 1940's and 1950's showing that Oscar helped
to isolate the crewmembers of the Philadelphia Experiment and that
Oscar later autopsied them as they died. He also had photographs of
UFO's fleeing through mushroom clouds after the A-bomb was dropped
above the lagoon at Bikini Atoll. This was "Operation Crossroads" and

Oscar was involved in medical examinations of the animals and humans
exposed to radiation after the bomb was dropped.

Thirdly: I believe the main reason why Philip began to lecture was due
to the "murder" of his friend Ron Rummel. Ron was found in a park in
Portland in Sept. 1993. The police believed that he had committed
suicide by shooting himself in the mouth. However, if you read the
detectives report, there is blow-back blood on Ron's hand, but NO
BLOW-BACK BLOOD ON THE GUN. The only way this could happen is if Ron
had wiped the gun off AFTER he had shot himself in the mouth. Ron,
Philip, and 5 other people had been collaborating on a little magazine
called "The Alien Digest". It was starting to get a fairly wide
circulation, when Ron was found in the park. Philip felt that his
friend had been murdered, and decided that it was time to get
everything out into the open, so he began "spilling the beans", and
ripped up his security clearance card.

Pufori, through Jeroen Wierda, is one of several agencies and
individuals that have taken up the call for justice in Philip's death.

My hopes are:

1. That Philip's death certificate will eventually be amended with
   the true cause of his death: murder.
2. That the world will come to know the truth about aliens, UFO's,
   the government cover-ups, black budgets, etc. and how they are
   affecting us.
3. That assets that belong to his only heir, Marie, can be located
   and turned over to her.
4. That Philip's true work quarters can be proven by people coming
   forward with information about knowing him before 1981, and that
   his daughter can eventually obtain the death benefits she
5. That no more "murders by suicide" ever occur to another

Please look over the information contained in this website. The "truth
is out there" and it is here.

Sincerely, Cynthia Schneider Drayer
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